The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Caller: Oh yeah. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Tell us your story. Tim Yeah. Love hearing these stories. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. The report came in from a conservation officer. We want answers. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. Thanks for a great thanks. Something along those lines. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Caller: Hi. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Is this kind of a typical story. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Mountain lion or cat running across. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. It was not a bobcat. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Here it is. Well I can't tell you what you saw. 19 But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. It's good to talk to you. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. About Lions. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. Yes. Thank you. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. I'm Peter Biello. Part II. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. There's no attraction. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. By Eric Orff. Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Have it reported down in the Keene area. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. These were normal everyday folks. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Infinite Scroll Enabled. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. So now what's going on. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Yes. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Mountain Lions in NH. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. That's next time on one day. Caller: I do. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead.

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