It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. BAM. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. Weird how that might happen. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. My gun just went off! Would you? The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. (a) A person commits an offense if the person recklessly discharges a firearm inside the corporate limits of a municipality having a population of 100,000 or more. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. The P320 pistol is a dog. The SIG P320, which has been manufactured since 2014, is known to go off without the trigger being pulled if it's dropped and lands on the ground at a certain angle. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! There were a lot of changes. No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. Plastic crap! You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Thats the same. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. . This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. who sells them? Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. 00:03. They admitted their problem and fixed it. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. One hell of a conspiracy. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. brakes, remember? Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. L. LRRifleman . A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Thats deflecting from the real issue. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! He points to it in the video. 2. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. He likens it to a bow-and-arrow, pulled taut. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Inside the gun, a metal piece called the sear should keep the weapon from firing until the trigger is pulled. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Sig, take this firearm off the market, and recall. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Anyway around here they do. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers.

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