For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Safety Warning: Andy C is an experienced shooter and handloader. These will give you some versatility with power levels from medium to heavy magnum loads and they work well in several calibers. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Deployed military should use stateside address. The bullet gets a clean kill without fragmenting. Discussion: Universal and Unique are good for lighter bullets, but if you want This morning I shot my first 357mag handloads in my Ruger GP-100. over 20 years it was simply known as "the Magnum," as there was no (I) Giveaway ends February 28, 2023. Box 488, Escondido, CA 92033. Cartridges page. It is suitable only for full power magnum handgun loads and .30 Carbine loads. Mike. Not that a single charge would or could be bad, but, because it is so dense, combine that with say, your favorite Glock 22 with a heavy bullet and nowyou are going to have a problem. If I was going to use W231 in the .357 mag with 158gr lead bullets I'd keep the load below Speers 5.4gr max and and less than 1,000 fps with soflt swagged or cast bullets. JavaScript is disabled. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. Below, are three loaded rounds. You find load data for cartridges in caliber .357 Magnum with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. At the VERY least, use a copper Gas Check lead bullet or a copper plated bullet. Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: pressures may have been even higher; and if you shoot one of those . other. All rights reserved. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. These are good full power hunting loads. Copyright. but only the gas check versions will normally work with the heavier loads. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. This load in a 5-1/2 Ruger New Model Flat-Top clocks out at 1,333 fps. (I) Giveaway ends March 31, 2023. Winchester Rifle Primers. If part of your plinking enjoyment . 10mm Auto. gunmans right on i have used the old stand by blue dot for mag loads back when i loaded a lot of 357 mag. grains of H110 powder will drive the 140 grain bullet to a MV of 1323 In developing a load to use for both, a lot of trouble can be avoided if one finds a good load for the rifle first instead of the other way around. For a medium velocity load in .357 Magnum cases with 158-160 grain bullets at 1.58" OAL use these as minimum start loads and OK to increase a grain or so as needed to get best accuracy. If you hunt in predominantly tight spaces with shorter sight lines, a .357 lever rifle is a wonderful gun to carry all day. Here's a subsonic load in the 357 Magnum utilizing a 158 grain moly coated RN cast lead bullet and HS-6 powder at the rangeHS-6 is not one of the more popular powders, but it has good use in all the Magnum pistol calibers as well as the 9mm, 40 and 45. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission, State Agency: While the revolver divisions of IPSC and IDPA are dwindling in participation numbers, theyre extremely rewarding to focus on. Shooters have been arguing for nearly 85 years as to whether the .357 Magnum is suitable for use on deer. bullet to a MV of 1352 fps. In addition, WW 296 would have . The versatility of loads for the .357 cartridge means that it excels as an all-purpose handgun round, suitable for just about every shooting activity imaginable: For recreational shooting, full-tilt .357 Magnum loads are pretty intense for extended sessions on both the hands and the wallet out of most revolvers. Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, State Agency: The aforementioned 180 grain lead bullet will give you a definite advantage, especially in bowling pin shooting, while keeping the costs controllable. For heavy loads, the Speer same bullets to a MV of 1409 fps. 32 Auto. KE4GWE - - - - - - Colt 1860, it just, kids that hunt and fish dont mug old ladies. The next powder is meant for magnum cartridges using heavy bullets. H110 and Win 296 is the most common magnum loads for .357 Magnum. For the most part, I use the same loads in .357 Magnum leverguns as I do in sixguns chambered for the same cartridge. California Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: This high energy powder provides economy in loading. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. May not be the 'best' for all of them, but I've used it for .32 H&R Mag, 9mm, .38 Spl, .357 Mag, 45 ACP, and .45 Colt all with decent acceptable results. Contest open to U.S. residents only. Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, State Agency: This load in a 5-1/2 Ruger New Model Flat-Top clocks out at 1,333 fps. I'm a little OCD when it comes to reloading and just have to try everything so I can see what the differences are. Great powder for the heaviest .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum and .44 Magnum loads. Vihtavuori provides load data for .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt. 38 Special - +P 125 Grain SJHP - Remington HTP - 500 Rounds - Best Low Recoil 38 Special Ammo. It looks like anything over 950 fps is pretty much topping out the range for this revolver. It has a steel core and will pierce an Flexibility of the .357 Mag. Hand loading self-defense ammo isnt recommended so well table that, but you can load up practice rounds that can approximate your chosen self-defense loads. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. I don't have any Titegroup right now or I would try it. Box 488, Escondido, CA 92033. 231,100% burnt at 1.85 inches of barrel length. I'm looking for the best powder to load .357. Experiment and I am sure you will find something that shoots well in your gun, I have. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. loads today have a limit of 17,000 p.s.i., whereas the .357 Magnum's is 35,000. (II) Limit one (1) entry per household; multiple entries will disqualify entrants. Hodgdon Smokeless Powder. It takes me all day to do what I used to do all day - but I still enjoy doin' it! Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. 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So, youll need a .357 magnum firearm and a reloading press to really enjoy the cartridge. Wyoming Game & Fish Department, State Agency: Most loads will work fine in a sixgun as long as they chamber in the cylinder, however the levergun can be pickier. According to Quickload .357 data using a .357, 158, Sierra JSP FN 8340. Take it from a guy that chased for the holy grail of powder to do both well for over a yearjust buy two different powders. But for all that inherent diversity, Ive found theres a single cartridge that lets me cover most bases while keeping expense down and enjoyment up. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. I also like to load a 148 grain wadcutter with Autocomp, and find its superbly accurate with more thump but better range to 50 yards. I have used Red Dot, Promo, W-231, HP-38, Titegroup, & Unique. Hodgdon recommends lighter-than-usual powder charges for the 140 grain FTX. I'm just looking to load plinking rounds. (Photo: Andy C). When you want to go up to heavier loads in the mag cases try IMR4227 or 2400. Like Marc said, I'd want data specific to your bullet. Location: Colorado, USA. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Sounds like you used a standard primer. their 158 grain bullets to a MV of 1151 fps, and 15.5 grains of H110 One of my favorite heavy bullets is the 200-gr. I use a good bit of Titegroup in .380, 9mm, .40 and .45ACP. They felt is was a dirty powder and so all your cartridges would . 2, No. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. In the .357 for heavy loads I have come to love Hodgdon's Lil'Gun w/magnum primers. section of the Speer Reloading Manual Number 14 Theres not a whole lot under the size of a deer that cant be taken using some .357 Magnum load. The .38 Special has a Max pressure of 17,000 PSI whereas the .357 Magnum can go as high as 35,000 PSI. By FortuneCookie45LC. For hard cast work up to no more than 6.7grs max Winchesters data, Figure 3. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. All Rights Reserved, it doesnt show its potential unless you start handloading it. Of course, you can now get .357 Magnum power in the same package, but the recoil and muzzle blast are intimidating enough that many who own the mini magnums stoke the chambers with +P .38 loads. If it's a hunting load or full power defense load your after, a slower powder designed for magnums will give you more versatility. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for DILLION CARBIDE 45 LONG COLT 3 DIE SET #14405 NOS RELOADING at the best online prices at eBay! The .44 Magnum loads were also a bit modest and could have been pushed harder. Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: Left to right: 160 gr. But if you dont want to buy a new gun to try them out, you can get by with the .357 magnum. A series of targets John shot with the Marlin 1894, proving the accuracy In Cowboy Action Shooting, 45 Colt guns are popular for authenticitys sake, but .357 guns are more practical from a cost standpoint. Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. I'm probably gonna run off about 750 rounds, using hard cast 158 grain SWC. Find a book that lists loads for the bullet you will use. 6.4 gr. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. Any suggestions? With Titegroup, say in 45ACP, you most likely could even put a triple charge in that case, I would be afraid of using it in any larger case. They show 2400 as the best powder to use for reloading the .357 Magnum cartridge. Contest open to U.S. residents only. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Commercial .38s make for light recoil, inexpensive .357 practice rounds. The last one, a brand-new Remington/Marlin, came from my local gun shop a couple months back. It is not the best for all things, but it will work in just about any pistol caliber! Made from a flexible urethane material. of TrailBoss), (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), (bullets seated deeper = higher pressures) (I dont recommend lead at over 900 not in popularity or usefulness. (Photo: Andy C). What velocities can I safely work my Model 14 up to? HP-38. Heavy Is Accurate. Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver The famous .357 Magnum, Problem is I am using 125 gn flat nose Berry's (plated) bullets. of True Blue, a WSPM and a 125 gr. all magnum handgun cartridges and among the top 10 best selling handgun The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. We try 2 different powders, Hodgdon Lilgun and Alliant 300-MP. The loads are not updated yearly. I have also used Unique with success on lighter loads, Bullseye, Red Dot and American Select didn't impress me for 357 but I didn't try too hard either. These Speer velocities Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: GUNS Magazine, GOM May 2023, P.O. yoshie wrote:22g of 2205 nearly fills up a 44 mag case to the bottom of the bullet, 10g of AP70n isn't as full. It was our first magnum revolver cartridge and offered sensational velocities for that era, as it advertised a 158-grain SWC-style bullet at 1,510 feet per second (fps) from a 834-inch barrel, but was around 1,400 to 1,450 fps in most revolvers. Contest void where prohibited by law. Copyright 2004, 2016 by Chuck Hawks. Follow the reloading manuals precisely. No purchase necessary. Just remember, in .357 Magnum, some powders can be too fast. One for heavy loads and one for light. (I) Giveaway ends April 30, 2023. One powder for 38 and 357mag. It gives the same or better velocities than Hodgdon's H110 and Wichester's Win296 (which are the same powder and either would be my second choice with Herc 2400 coming in third) at about 2/3 the pressure. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. The benefits of this are twofold. The armor piercing round was Bestseller No. Load data is available for 9mm Luger, .38 Super Auto, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .40 S&W, .44 S&W Special, .44 Remington Magnum, .45 ACP and . .357 Magnum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. Get CFE . IMR TrailBoss are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. I'm old school though , been loading since mid eighties , haven't tried the newer powders on the market. 3. I prefer the Unique or Universal as Both the Browning B92 and the Rossi Model 92 were based on the Winchester 1892, while the Marlin used a modernized version of their original 1894 levergun. Handloading also lets you utilize a vast library of .38 Special loads, one of the .357s biggest perks. amounts listed above (but not where it says start load), and work up to the Cartridge Use & HistoryThe .357 Smith & Wesson Magnum, .357 S&W Magnum, .357 Magnum, or 933mmR as it is known in unofficial metric designation, is a smokeless powder cartridge with a .357-inch (9.07 mm) bullet diameter. Contest void where prohibited by law. The reason my loads for the .357 Magnum levergun are the same as they are for the .357 Magnum sixgun is simply because the whole point is to be able to use the same load in both. unique seems to work for all my handgun loads. By focusing on using it for multiple roles, you can save a lot on organization and components, not to mention guns, and youre not likely to miss a beat in efficiency or enjoyment. 12 gauge. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. These figures are all for a 4" I agree with @Knob Creek on the clays though. All kinds of projectiles, all kinds of usesall of them .357. My friend the late John Wootters raised this question in an article from 1983 and even before this, in November 1982, Ken Waters published Pet Loads for the .357 Magnum Carbine.. For the 158 grain JHP the MV (Cowboy Action) 44 Russian (Cowboy Action) 44 S&W Special (Cowboy Action) 44-40 Win . There is also the issue of lead vapor to breathe if on an indoor range. For .357 the old standby was 2400. Recipe for 230 grain round nose powder coated .45ACP, Need couple pieces of 38 SC or 38 TJ brass. My ammo doesn't only go in S&W firearms, there are a few other brands that I have so, I have to watch what I reload. My Lyman's claims that for 357 magnum, the 2400 is the best powder delivering highest velocity and accuracy. So many options, so little experience! . A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. Louisiana Department of Wildlife & Fisheries, State Agency: * Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. Raw power? The minimum charge of WW296 (H-110 same stuff ) Winchester used to publish in the re-loading pamphlet was 14.5gr and SP Magnum primer, under a 158gr SWC. It gives the same or better velocities than Hodgdon's H110 and Wichester's Win296 (which are the same powder and either would be my second choice with Herc 2400 coming in third) at about 2/3 the pressure. Hawaii Department of Land & Natural Resources, State Agency: In 1935, Smith & Wesson introduced the .357 Magnum. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! Deployed military should use stateside address. I have probably tried a little of every thing and I seem like Titegroup a little better than any other pistol powder that I have used. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. Smokeless powder .38 Spl. a lightweight .357 or older gun, you may want to start with 13% less than Like Jimbo said you'll do better with two powders than one. 85. We don't want you to blow yourself or your guns up either. CCI primers. The big advantage with the rifle is the fact it is not only easier to shoot at longer ranges but it also picks up significant muzzle velocity over a sixgun barrel. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. If you want to download your .357 Magnum ammo 2400 is a better choice. For most of my big-bore sixgun loads I use straight wheelweights for loads under 1,100 fps; however, with the smaller diameter .357 Magnum bullets I prefer a harder alloy and normally mix lead and type metal in equal amounts. The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. Lets just say midway tween low and high , In my opinion the K frames just aren't stout enuf for a steady diet of high pressure stuff. (I) Giveaway ends May 31, 2023. Not bad for jacketed either, but wont launch em near as fast as 2400 or H110. and H-110, W296 and Hercules 2400 powders excellent for maximum loads BIANCHI Speed Strips - Pair. Here, I like to shoot a .357 magnum case loaded with a copper-plated 158 grain flat point projectile and a Bullseye charge calibrated to the gun to just make the power factor of 105. It burns much cleaner than Bull's Eye and gives great accuracy. But have used Power Pistol in .357 Sig. field (against large predators). Michigan Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: HP38 is a spherical powder that is great for low velocity and mid-range target loads in the .38 Special, .44 Special, and 45 ACP. I have found these to be useful practice and That's with magnum primers. Please read, but do not attempt anything posted here without first seeking out safe and complete instruction. Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. Idaho Department of Fish & Game, State Agency: A comprehensive used reloading setup often comes well below the price of a new gun, and if you have one, it can make your existing Magnums so diverse in function its like owning multiple guns. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Throwingdown, May 26, 2009. It has great guns in current production, with various styles (you can even get a .357 magnum 1911!) Factory warranties may apply in some cases. 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