I am anxious to get it back from the engraver. Here-tofore, you could only shoot this weight of shot in a 10-gauge double gun with 2 7/8-inch chambers, or the new Ithaca Magnum 10. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. Every cowboy needs a revolver. Guns.com's selection won't leave you feeling unprepared. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. I used to club trap targets with it. There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. Alarm calls! A new chamber ring and a # 1 heavy draw adjusting sleeve. Pictures are of the item listed. to be finishedat least thats what Stadt says in his book"Winchester, Shotguns and Shotshells"very interesting book.a little different look at M-12 than Madis and Riffle.WC. My favorite 2 pins were Trap Guns made between 1957-1959 including special order Pigeon grades; fit, finish and blueing was best in those later years. Numbers match on barrel and receiver. Pandemonium! And unlike our competitors, it extends beyond the buying process. It won't be a collector but a shooter and should draw some attention. In fact, Madis states Any twelve gauge Model Twelve could be re-chambered and reworked to shoot three inch shells for a small additional charge[by Winchester], yet few guns were reworked in this way. I can find no external differences in receiver dimensions, other than the ejection port, between standard and magnum versions. Exc Orig Condition, Winchester Model 12 28-gauge, factory original, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 LIMITED EDITION 20GA. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. I believe the blueing to be original. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. The 30" heavy barrel is proof stamped "WINCHESTER TRADE MARK MADE IN THE U.S.A."; "-MODEL 12 - 12 GA. - FULL"; "WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL"; "FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER - X 3 IN.". The famous Winchester Model 1912 pump shotgun was designed by Winchester's Thomas C. Johnson. or Rudy Dozenrod out of Wyndemere, S.D. Bore and action are excellent. Advanced . The standard 12-gauge duck load in 1921 was a 2 3/4-inch shell holding 3 3/4-drams equivalent powder and 1 1/4-ounces of shot. Winchester Pre War Mod 12 Trap 2 Barrel Set 12ga, Winchester Pre 64 Mod 12 DU Illinios No.1 Engraved by M Dubber, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3 INCH MAGNUM, Winchester Model 12 16 Gauge rare 2-barrel set, Used Browning BT99 Plus 12 gauge 28" bbl fixed choke mod good condition no box no manuals, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 16GA PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN, Winchester Mod 12 Vent Rib B-Carved Wood 12ga, "Winchester Model 12 Shotgun 12 Gauge (W12258), Winchester, Ducks Unlimited, Model 12, 12 Ga, Shotgun, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" 3" mag, Briley Chokes, Winchester Model 12 12 ga. Deluxe Skeet grade w/ factory Cutts, Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 gauge 24" VR bbl EARLY Serial #. Smith Double Barrel Shotgun $250 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Twenty" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Light Twelve" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning Pump Action Shotgun $150 Optional dimensions for straight or pistol grip stocks, grip caps, front sights and recoil pads were also among early options. A Simmons Rib has been added to the barrel and the metal was refinished. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Included with the gun is its orig, Winchester Model 12, 28 Gauge in very good to near fine original condition. This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! Total production reached two million. Franklin and his two sons John M. Olin and Spencer T. Olin were the managers of Olin Industries and Western Cartridge Company in 1931. A lot of us will have to begin learning to hit long-range ducks. Sounds like an invitation to join the long-range duck hunting cult! I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. Action works very nicely. This gives a wrinkled appearance on bottom of pistol grip and bottom of forend. Save $500.02 SKU: 3226743 . Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Saint Charles, Missouri. It was manufactured in 1962 and is a skeet grade. That is why I have never used one of my duck guns for duck hunting. 31 12 ga. pump shotgun w/ Simmons ventilated rib - walnut checkered stock & forearm - & 30" Johnson designed the Models 52 and 61 rimfire rifles and the Model 54 centerfire rifle. Patterns were fired from a benchrest, using American Target Company B21 silhouette targets measuring 35 by 45 inches. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. The Olins soon added to the attractiveness of the Model 12 duck gun by bringing out a new 1 5/8-ounce load for the 3-inch shell. Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot. Keep in mind that all of these changes in stock design were running changes and thus some overlapping of designs occurred in production. I read your posts; you do love the Model 12, been there done that. I don't believe their ever was a royalty, actually Simmons kept selling his special vent rib model 12's after the 1955 introduction of the Winchester Special Vent Rib @ New Haven. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 30 in Barrel 2 3/4" Full vent rib Barrel NICE! Winchester installed Simmons ribs and Simmons-designed ventilated ribs for several years. Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibManufactured in 1952. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. ONLY ONE EVER PRODUCED BY WINCHESTER, ULIMATE RARITY. Winchester suggests their 3-inch 12-gauge shotshells with 1 3/8-ounces or 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot for wildfowl hunting in their 1951 Ammunition Handbook: These shells were developed especially for extremes in long range shooting with 12-gauge Winchester Model 12 and Model 21 Heavy Duck Guns.. The slide handle of early duck guns was round with 18 circular grooves. Franklin W. Olin founded Western Cartridge Company in 1898. K-Mart Classics: Remingtons Nylon Rimfires Engineered To Last. As good as the Brownings are, Ill just keep my Model 12s from New Haven. The less pronounced pistol grip-style buttstock of the original Model 12 was discontinued in late 1934 and is not found on duck guns. However, the Model 12 duck gun should still be an excellent long-range waterfowl shotgun with the right ammunition. Very fine as professionally custom finished, showing 95% of the refurbished blue, with scattered rust spotting and handling marks. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. Standard Grade: 12-, 16-, 20- and 28-gauge; plain, solid or ventilated rib round barrels; standard lengths 26", 28", 30", 32"; plain walnut pistol-grip stock; grooved slide handle. Important to note that this gun was made in 1956, the first year for the round post factory installed Special Ve, FOR YOUR VIEWING IS A VERY NICE WINCHESTER MODEL 12 in 20 GA. WITH A VENT RIBBED 26" BARREL AND IC CHOKED. Regards Chuck. Probably a lot farther than we can hit em. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 5d 15h 14m 2. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. RIAC believes that this website is accessible to the widest possible audience pursuant to the guidelines of the Americans with Disability Act. So a shooter really doesnt need a rib. Harold Williamson, in his book Winchester, The Gun That Won the West, relates that the new management of Winchester embarked on a program that involved an extraordinary departure from the companys previous operations and the investment of borrowed capital in large amounts. Winchester struggled through a decade of inept product diversification that was terminated by the Great Depression. winchester model 12 description: for sale is a very nice vintage winchester model 12, 12ga ga shotgun. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. It is first shooting light. JavaScript is disabled. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. Sales of 100,000 were recorded in the first two years of production. Field grade pump gun with Mod choke barrel. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. Free shipping for many products! Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? We'rebringing a level of Buckingham had a solid 60-yard duck gun and was on his way to becoming a legend. The late style stock featured a flared pistol grip moved back a bit from the trigger. Now I have never been wrong about anything in my lifeLOLjust kidding, but the way I read it on the top of page 109JMHOThanks, WC. The old trap shooters didn't and they did just fine. This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. But the charm of idle jump-shooting is far too potent.. Original appearing donut post and round post vent rib Model 12s with no Simmons markings and proof marks in the proper places are generally thought by collectors to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. Alex, we don't have enough info to give you an informed opinion. The buttstock was reshaped on Model 12 shotguns again in the mid-1950s. Most websites are poorly The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. If it's a 12 gauge, replacement factory butt stocks can be hard to come by. Duck guns always sold for a slight premium over the standard model. In their view, the Model 12 pump with 3-inch chamber was likely to sell better than a similarly chambered Model 21 double. This is why they were rust blued instead of hot blued. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. becouse plain barrels shoot higher than solid ribs do ,solid ribs shoot flatter. Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that. Fanciers of long-range shotguns now had a 12-gauge repeater shooting a 10-gauge shot load. See pi, Winchester Model 12, 28 gauge SKEET pump action shotgun, circa 1955. Charles Askins may have influenced the decision. Winchester Model 12 1940's gun. FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. The Model 12 duck gun came to market at the all-time low point of duck populations in the United States. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. The slide lock is automatically released by the forward nudge of recoil in the Model 12. This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. Severe drought conditions gripped the United States and Canada during the 1930s. Market hunting was legislated out of existence in the late teens. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. It is the skeet style of stock with a comb drop of 1 1/2 2 1/2 inches, and a 14-inch length, butt to trigger. WARNING! Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. I found some they didn't. 4 chilled shot.. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. No Reserve. . Johnson, at once one of the great gun designers and one of the least known, produced a steady flow of new firearm designs for Winchester. I always wondered what the royalty was to Simmons on the Winchester Special Ventilated Rib that they installed. Some patterns of #4 shot might let a duck escape if it were caught just inside the margin of the 30-inch circle. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. This percentage was disappointing compared to the 80% or better patterns obtained with other duck guns tested by the staff. I was at a local gunshop this morning and was looking at a model 12 2-3/4" that had a Simmons rib. After college and had some $$$ I started collecting them. . Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. His shotguns were undoubtedly the best long-range duck guns he found in extensive testing. Built from 1912 to 1963. I included #2 shot because this size shot has always been my goose and turkey load in 3-inch shells. Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. It was a little rough so I am doing a restoration. 80 of 1916 indicates seven empty 12-gauge paper shell lengths (2-1/2 to 3-1/4 inches). Refresh your browser window to try again. "SN:561491. Nash Buckingham was one of the great duck-hunting writers of the period. An 80% pattern they felt should make it a real 60-yard outfit with No. winchester model 12 heavy duck gun 30" simmons vent rib 1953 pre-64 rare 12 ga. magnum 3" edition proof marking - 12 gauge magnum - 5 - 30 " The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. 30" Full choke barrel. There are 3 possible models that you might have: 1) Your Model 12 has a grooved slide handle and with a 'F' stamped after the serial number and has a lightweight alloy trigger guard. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun . For example, only about 300 Super Fox and 800 of the Ithaca Magnum 10 doubles went into hunters hands during the period. *** RARE *** Winchester Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN limited production run that combines the pre-64 Model 12 with a 12 ga. Magnum 30" barrel, factory production 3" Magnum, with a factory Simmons Vent Rib on an upgraded wood stock! In those good old days of the 1960s the ducks flew just above the cattails and shots were plentiful. Charles Askins, in an article entitled Long Range Shotguns in the January 1930 issue of the American Rifleman, concludes that a 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot, patterning 80% or better is pretty reliable [on ducks] at 65 yards. However, Askins goes on to say I have never, personally, had a shotgun which would reach far enough. Before the eight gauge was banned in 1918, Askins had a Greener eight-gauge double with 36-inch barrels weighing 13 pounds. Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. That is true about Model 42s, but, as far as researchers know, it is not true about Model 12s. The Model 12 Duck Gun is a highly specialized tool for hunters who need to put a lot of shot on target at 60 yards or more. 1938 lists the stock for a 12 gauge skeet grade as 14" with a Buttplate. Both guns have 30-inch Full choke barrels inscribed FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER-X 3 IN. The bores are bright with no pitting. THE SHOT GUN IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION , WITH A 28 IN VENTILATED RIB BARREL WITH FULL CHOKE. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). Yes the 2-pin milled rib was costly to manufacture. So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. Can you help me out? Madis comments Fancy walnut was considered too fancy for the rough treatment often given a duck gun. Fancy walnut could be ordered and the few pidgeon-grade duck guns had fancy walnut. Winchester cautiously claimed 70 to 75% pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. 1 9-16" DAC, 1 9-16" DAH, 14 1/2, Very good plus overall condition. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. Just to add th the issue, here's a note that I copied from Trapshooters.com some time age. Edwin Pugsley, in charge of Winchester at the time of receivership, is quoted in Williamsons book: The purchase of the company by the Olin interests brought a breath of life to the institution and brought to Winchester many things. 1 Winchester Model 70 Ultra Grade Featherweight 270 Win. The stock is the upgraded Monte Carlo style capped pistol grip, heavy pad, upgraded wood, and cheek rest. As to price, it will also depend on gauge, barrel length, choke, barrel steel, wood type, pad vs. plate, etc. This was after extensive reworking of the chokes by Ithaca. All Model 12 shotguns have an action slide lock that keeps the action closed and locked in the event of a misfire or hang-fire. The Model 12, already 23 years old, was one of many successful designs by Thomas C. Johnson. The vent rib is stamped "SIMMONS GUN SPECIALTIES INC. KANSAS CITY, MO.". I offer the following example from What Rarer Day in Buckinghams book De Shootinest Gentman and Other Tales published in 1934. Experts can attest to the vast improvements they have found shooting with the Simmons Ventilated Rib. The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. The $48 price tag was right. Writing in the March 1927 issue of the American Rifleman, Askins reports that his Remington Model 10 12-gauge pump averaged 89% of 1 1/4-ounces of shot in a 3-inch circle at 40 yards. No Reserve . This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. part of our network, we sell THEIR guns first whenever possible. Including this gun, they found a total of 4 gun with a 1919 date. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. Buy 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 974012213. 30" Vent Rib Excellent White Front . In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. Very good condition overall. Today I have a nice collection of them, mostly target grade guns. "Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known." Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. My wife shot her share of ducks with a 20-gauge autoloader bored Improved Cylinder shooting one ounce of #7 1/2-shot. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. JavaScript is disabled. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . L.O.P. The first was helping the gunsmiths. Featherweight: same as above; lightweight alloy trigger guard. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. I have read the 3 different books I have on model 12's from cover to cover many times. own to figure out what you want. Pattern percentages were around 70% with these latter loads. Manufactured in 1959. . The standard length was 2-5/8 inches. This test, along with a check of adjustment remaining in the takedown joint and functioning of the slide lock dis-connector, are my standard mechanical checks for a Model 12. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. Instead of buying a gun thats This little shotgun appears to have never been assembled and and has a 28 inch full choke barrel. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. . Winchester symbol # G1285S. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. The Duck Stamp Law of 1934 was enacted to provide funds for waterfowl propagation. BARREL 30" CHOKE FULL 90% FACTORY BLUE ORIGINAL FACTORY HEAVY DUCK RECOIL PAD WOOD VERY GOOD. . The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN 30" SIMMONS VENT RIB 1953 PRE-64 RARE 12 GA. MAGNUM 3" EDITION PROOF MARKING - 12 GAUGE MAGNUM - 5 - 30 " $550 USD. The trap load was included because trap shooting is suited to the duck gun. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. In the 1950's Winchester's costs were losing pace with what they were ablle to sell their products for. Item. Stay in the know. Blue is good showing wear on high spots. MAKE OFFER. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Options for the Model 12 duck gun were reduced over the years, particularly following World War II. Winchester Model 12 12 GA For Sale Winchester 12 GA Model 12. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. , Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. Keith stated in 1967: The old 70% standard is now obsolete and most any full choke gun will go 75% or better. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? I kept the ones that were dearer to me so now they live in safes and I hate the safes. The Olins used the Western ammunition plant at East Alton, Illinois, as collateral for borrowing about four million in cash, no small feat in the fall of 1931. the barrel and chamber are bright and clean. THE VENTILATED RIB IS BY SIMMONS GIN, 16ga, Full Choke, 26" barrel with a bright and shiny bore. It looks like it is in very good shape. Simmons Gun Specialties rib has been added to barrel. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. SERIAL NUMBER 39346 NO ALTERATIONS OF WOOD OR METAL. Westerns 3-inch 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot was introduced the same year. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck.

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